Wednesday, August 22, 2018

Can the Iranian regime be unequivocally brought down, and at what price?

One of the subjects that lead to the most lively comment threads here at LITD is what to do about Iran. The LITD position has hewed pretty closely to that of Michael Ledeen: make it official US policy to maximize contacts with groups, formal or informal, within Iran (and in exile) interested in bringing down the regime.

After reading this piece by Michael Strain of the American Enterprise Institute at Commentary, I'm rethinking the efficacy of that approach. He says it may not be enough, for the reason that the mullahs and the IRGC don't care how much blood they have to spill to stay in power.

Strain's observations and conclusions are couched in a comparison with the way the US won the Cold War against the Soviet empire. He points up four types of differences between the USSR scenario and the Iran scenario: personal, ideological, structural and institutional. His analysis is deep and consideration-worthy, but what I'll share is the portion of his essay in which he offers recommendations for what indeed ought to be done:

Isolating Iran from external resources and forcing the regime to concentrate on controlling its own population would be major accomplishments that would transform the Middle East. The centers of gravity in this effort are:
  • Separating Iran’s external supporters and suppliers from the Islamic Republic;
  • Preventing Iran from gaining and using control of resources beyond its borders (particularly in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq);
  • Inflicting defeats on the IRGC in critical theaters (Syria and Iraq especially) to discredit the organization’s internal narrative supporting its supremacy in national-security policy;
  • Disrupting Iran’s efforts to secure the material required to build its nuclear arsenal and expand its conventional military capabilities;1
  • Encouraging domestic dissatisfaction with the Iranian regime within Iran (but without expecting that dissatisfac- tion to lead to regime change in any particular period of time);
  • Encouraging and enhancing dissension within the regime over the desirability of continuing aggressive policies of regional expansion; and
  • Taking advantage of the trauma of the upcoming supreme leader succession, which will be akin to the death of Stalin and the most meaningful transfer of power since the death of Khomeini.
Even this, which is less abrupt than the foment-unrest-and-the-regime-will-quickly-fall approach, is going to take all US allies being on board:

A long-term approach would focus on building a consensus among America’s allies about the need to implement the Victory Strategy. It would deter the Russians and Chinese from stepping in to keep Iran alive. It would disrupt the supply chain of strategic materials Iran needs to advance its nuclear and conventional military capabilities. And it would force Iran to fight hard for its positions in Iraq and Syria while simultaneously pressing the Iranian economy in every possible way. Such a strategy would almost certainly force the Islamic Republic back in on itself, halt and reverse its movement toward regional hegemony, exacerbate schisms within the Iranian leadership and between the regime and the people, and possibly, over time, and in a uniquely Iranian way, lead to a change in the nature of the regime.
I just don't know if that kind of unity of purpose is possible within the West at this point. Consider how Europe reacted to the US pulling out of the JCPOA. And the juicy contracts to be had on the business level are hard for corporations to leave on the table. That's why we're so entangled with China.

I'll be keeping my eye out for reactions to this approach. As of now, it strikes me as an assessment based on thorough study of the nature of the Iranian regime.

Something in me, though, intuitively objects to approaches (remember Kissinger's policy of detente toward the Soviet Union?) that leave bad actors in place. Not just because they're distasteful, but because they want us gone.
 

15 comments:

  1. Ask Netanyahu since we are going down his road here.

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  2. To say that he drives US policy toward Iran is silly as hell.

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  3. Silly as hell? That was when a majority of Republicans let him speak before Comgress in defiance of the international strategy Trump has pissed on. Trump has pissed on a lot of Obama's moves, beginning with his stated birthplace though he finally retracted years later as he became the Republican nominee for his office. Its Netanyahu's hawkish strategy that is being implemented and you're clueless as well as silly as hell denying it.

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  4. Trump "piss[ing] on a lot of Obama's moves" is great. Obama's "moves" were for the most part terrible, including his treatment of Netanyahu and Israel. The reason Congress had N speak was because the Iranian threat was real and urgent and Obama was acting like it wasn't.
    Iranian proxies on both the southern and northern borders of Israel regularly harass Israel with methods ranging from rockets to terror cells and have for years.
    Iran regularly issues statements saying that both Israel and the US must be obliterated.
    The JCPOA was about the worst agreement this country has ever entered into.

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  5. I'm not clueless because I don't deny it. I just wish other Western leaders had the spine and the maturity to speak forthrightly about the Iranian threat.

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  6. Why don't you try addressing the subject of this post? What do you think of Strain's assessment and recommendation? Or, if you really still advocate the JCPOA and general legitimization of the Iranian regime, what is your proposal for getting Iran to quit testing missiles, engaging in clandestine nuclear activity, arming and supporting Hezbollah, setting up sleeper cells in the US, and issuing bellicose statements about the US continuing to be the enemy?

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  7. It's not about spine and maturity. It's about rational negotiating and international cooperation to prevent World War III. Here' a snippet from the NYT in May about Nettie and his aims, of course more silly as hell, your current Republican man with the spine and maturity is eating out of his hand:

    "...Mr. Netanyahu’s longtime goal:

    "As early as 2010, he sought to prepare for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, but was stopped repeatedly by his own cabinet. He railed against the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement FROM ITS INCEPTION under President Barack Obama, contending it would allow Tehran to threaten Israel with atomic weapons within a decade’s time. And he has vowed for months to prevent Iran from establishing a conventional offensive threat to Israel from inside Syria."

    Read more at
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/middleeast/netanyahu-israel-iran-nuclear.html

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  8. There are only two leaders who are happier today than they were yesterday: One is Trump himself; the other is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin (“Bibi”) Netanyahu. Tearing up the Iran deal was Trump’s call, but it would not have happened without Netanyahu’s stubborn willingness to stand up to the world — and especially Israel’s own generally hawkish security experts.

    The prevailing view among Israeli security experts remains one of pragmatic opposition to scrapping the deal. But Netanyahu rejects that view as accepting an unstable status quo when more radical action could achieve lasting change that would enhance Israeli and global security. Bibi may just be right.

    After Trump’s Iran decision, Netanyahu no doubt feels vindicated. It appears that the two leaders now share the same playbook. But what happens next is crucial. For both Trump and Netanyahu, scrapping the Iran deal is only a first step to a bigger goal."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-08/the-iran-deal-netanyahu-and-trump-have-bigger-goals








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    1. Yes, dude, I was with Obama and Kerry who were demeaned daily at this blog. I'm with the rest of the international community in trying to prevent World War III. Trump and your beloved Nettie are ready to start it. Polls back in May indicated that only 29 per cent of Americans favored pulling out of the deal. Who's silly now? Not you, Donnie, Nettie and his executioners du joir. You all got spine and maturity (in your own perverted minds only). I'm also with the international community that worked with us on the hard fought JCPOA. Now we as a world leader might have blown our credibility big time, for as long as I live at least. Like I said in another thread, this one's all yours, you got what you thought you wanted. The world will watch & wait...

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  9. Where's Rick? If you see him remind him no talk of Satan here for 3 whole days. I've been blogging here since I predicted big time losses for Bush and the Republicans and railed against Rummie, Wolfie, Cheney and the other sorry preemptors you contended were vindicated by the surge. They all fell. I'm hoping for much mightier falls in barely 10 weeks. I want Donnie neutered (though he can keep his spine as all it is is bluster and egotistical vindictiveness and it's very clear he never grew up enough to be acceptable in most kindergartens today. Yet Nettie hung his hat on him. Now you get to sell a World War to all of us planetside. I hope you fail!

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  10. I've seen you run of a few bloggers over the past 12 years. Would that be your diplomatic style if you ever got any power?

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  11. I repeat, how about addressing the subject of this post?

    What do you think of Strain's assessment and recommendation? Or, if you really still advocate the JCPOA and general legitimization of the Iranian regime, what is your proposal for getting Iran to quit testing missiles, engaging in clandestine nuclear activity, arming and supporting Hezbollah, setting up sleeper cells in the US, and issuing bellicose statements about the US continuing to be the enemy?

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  12. It was a mistake to pull out of JCPOA when and how we did it. I used to put my trust in our diplomats. I am not the one in the trenches on this one. I got my own trenches and I tend them well. That is what I expect from my leaders and their people. Piss on this current leader and his people!

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  13. More refutation of the utilization of the descriptor silliness as it applies to the obvious reality of Israel influencing Trump and politics in general in America to see it their way, even to the detriment of the USA
    "Focusing on the years 2011–2012, Sobelman surveyed Israeli efforts to persuade the United States that it was seriously considering a unilateral assault, intending to lead Washington to take a harsher stand against Iran, and in so doing serve Israel’s interests. Did Israel really plan to attack Iran? Sobelman, like journalists and researchers who have examined this question in the past (and some were themselves involved in it), did not reach an unequivocal conclusion. But some of his interlocutors conceded that preparations were serious and that the United States conducted extensive surveillance of Israel to determine its intentions."

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/.premium-israel-s-iran-threat-how-netanyahu-and-barak-stoked-a-war-scare-to-pressure-the-u-s-1.6390605

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  14. Here's why that's horse shit: It once again, like all hard-left "analysis" utterly ignores what Iran was saying and doing.
    Never fails. People under this mad delusion that appeasement can work against rogue regimes never talk about what makes them rogue regimes - and threats.

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