Thursday, September 26, 2019

The current state of the impeachment / call transcript hot mess

As is the case with everything and anything these days, since nothing can appear on the national radar without being instantly imbued with an ideological charge, the hot takes are already zooming toward us like a meteor shower.

But there are some consideration-worthy aspects to what we really do know:

In May 2018, Dem Senators Menendez, Durbin and Leahy sent a letter to Yuri Lutsenko, general prosecutor for the Ukrainian government, that, in its mention of all that the US has done for Ukraine, is similar in tone to the approach Trump took with new Ukrainian president Zelensky in that phone call of July of this year, except with mirror-opposite intent. The Dem Senators wanted to know what was up with the Ukrainian government freezing four investigations related to the Mueller investigation happening at the time in the US.

Jim Geraghty at National Review makes this important point:

The conversation between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky did not occur in a vacuum.
Starting in February 2014, Russia backed separatist militant forces in eastern Ukraine, setting off an off-and-on civil war in that part of Ukraine. Around that time, Russian troops rolled into Crimea and the following month they declared it part of Russia. In July, Russian-backed forces shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine, killing 298 innocent people. That same month, the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence released the civilian-taken satellite images showing that Russia was firing shells across the border at Ukrainian military forces.
By August, two columns of Russian tanks had crossed the border into Ukraine. By October, independent analysts had determined that at least 30 Russian army units had moved into Ukrainian territory. By January 2015, several hundred civilians were killed in fighting between the Ukrainian military and heavily armed militia groups calling themselves “Novorossiya,” or “New Russia”; Ukraine’s government contended that this was all backed by the Russian army, and that same winter, separatists forces took over the Donetsk airport after months of bloody fighting. In 2018, Russian warships fired on and seized three Ukrainian vessels.
Just because you’re not hearing much in the U.S. media about fighting in eastern Ukraine doesn’t mean it stopped. Day in and day out, there are more attacks, more casualties, more convoys of Russian military hardware spotted. Roughly 13,000 people have been killed. Russia and Ukraine are at war, and while there are intermittent glimpses of good news such as prisoner exchanges, Russia would appear to have the better prospects in the long term. 
Geraghty goes on to point out that, in the phone call with Zelensky, Trump doesn't even mention Russia, just implicitly using its hegemonic threat against Ukraine as a bargaining chip in the deal to be struck, a deal mainly driven by Trump's self-interest.

And the whistleblower complaint has just been released. At first glance, it doesn't seem any more conclusive than the phone call transcript.

But that won't stop tribalists from making instant assessments.

12 comments:

  1. Is DC and our government over-lawyered or what?

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  2. Sure are a lot of 'em out that way. They are a big presence at all levels of government, really, though. Every local-government body I cover in my journalism work - parks board, school board, solid waste management district board, redevelopment commission, utilities board, board of zoning appeals, city council, county council, county commissioners - has its own attorney, who sits in on every meeting.

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  3. Yeah. My extensive experience with them is they seriously muddy the waters and often mitiate against amicable solutions, but, oh well, we all gotta eat. Rudy is one huge dickhead imho. Oh well, we all gotta eat.

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  4. "Trump’s entire career has effectively been one long legal entanglement. He filed his first major lawsuit more than 40 years ago, and it was, in fact, a countersuit. The government sued him for housing discrimination; he sued the government back for $100 million, charging defamation. (The countersuit, which Trump announced at a news conference, was dismissed, and Trump eventually signed a consent decree in which he agreed to take various steps to desegregate his properties.) Thousands of legal actions followed. Before the election, USA Today tallied up all the lawsuits that Trump and his companies were involved in over just the last 30 years. The final count was 4,095. ‘‘Does anyone know more about litigation than Trump?’’ Trump said of himself at a campaign rally in January 2016. ‘‘I’m like a Ph.D. in litigation.’’https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/magazine/all-the-presidents-lawyers.html

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  5. "Trump Lawyers practice Trump Law. Trump Law is not about the merits of a case or even its resolution. It doesn’t matter if you’re threatening to sue, suing or being sued yourself. What matters is that you dominate, or be seen as dominating. In Trump Law, you can lose and still win, or at least declare victory, as Trump did after losing his defamation suit against the author Timothy O’Brien, claiming, falsely, that he had succeeded in his goal of costing O’Brien a lot of money. ‘‘Trump and Kasowitz saw our litigation as a form of guerrilla warfare, I think, and were less concerned about facts and the law,’’ says O’Brien, whose publisher covered all of his legal expenses. After the suit was filed, O’Brien realized that he had met Kasowitz before: The lawyer had been in the audience at one of his readings and told O’Brien afterward — elliptically at the time, ominously in retrospect — that they would be seeing each other again.

    Trump Law is theater. What matters most is showmanship. The proof that the president-­elect was relinquishing control of his companies before taking the oath of office was right there in the stacks of manila folders piled up beside him at the pre-­inauguration news conference inside Trump Tower. Don Jr. and Eric Trump, who would be taking over the Trump Organization, watched solemnly as Sheri Dillon gestured at the files, explaining that they contained just some of the paperwork that would ensure that President Trump would be completely isolated from the businesses. Were the pages inside actually blank? In the world of Trump Law, that’s irrelevant."
    Ibid

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  6. These impeachment proceedings are going to be the shot that sounded Civil War II and I think Trump knows exactly what he is doing. Our government of lawyers is going to make mincemeat of the law for all to gander and gather as they wish.

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  7. "If the president was brought down for whatever reason, it could lead to a civil war. There are millions of people out there that voted for President Trump that are behind him that are angry and they are mad. We are just living in a very dangerous territory, and we need God’s help."--FranklinGraham

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  8. ROME — Pope Francis has publicly endorsed an essay that appeared in 2017 criticizing relations between Evangelicals and Catholics in the United States as an “ecumenism of hate.”

    On Thursday, La Civiltà Cattolica journal released the transcript of a meeting between Pope Francis and a group of 24 Jesuits on September 5, 2019, during his recent trip to Mozambique in which the pope suggested that certain Evangelical Protestants in the United States “cannot really be defined as Christian.”



    “Two important articles in Civiltà Cattolica have been published in this regard. I recommend them to you. They were written by Father Spadaro and the Argentinean Presbyterian pastor, Marcelo Figueroa. The first article spoke of the ‘ecumenism of hatred.’ Throughout the essay, the authors criticize a string of exclusively Republican presidents as being tainted by the teachings of Evangelical Protestantism. The list of those mentioned includes Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and, of course, Donald Trump."https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/27/pope-francis-endorses-essay-trashing-u-s-conservative-christians/

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  9. As the GOP scrambles to contain the fallout from President Donald Trump’s Ukraine controversy, Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani has inserted himself directly into the center of a crisis that has engulfed the White House and brought impeachment closer to Trump’s doorstep. And Republicans want him to stop. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/27/republicans-giuliani-congress-trump-1517400?fbclid=IwAR1xqRWbFUhKR8cNE1vya7sTb39j_fyvy3-Y6lBBi469rxh3dzAAXZxxgds

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  10. Kathleen Clark, a legal ethics professor at Washington University School of Law in St. Louis, said Trump is treating the country's attorney general as if he's just another personal lawyer.

    "I think it represents a larger problem with President Trump," she said. "To him, it appears Giuliani and Barr both have the same job."
    Trump repeatedly told Ukraine's president in a telephone call that Barr and Trump personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani could help investigate Trump's Democratic rival Joe Biden, according to a rough transcript of that summertime conversation. Justice Department officials insist Barr was unaware of Trump's comments at the time of the July 25 call.

    When Barr did learn of that call a few weeks later, he was "surprised and angry" to discover he had been lumped in with Giuliani, a person familiar with Barr's thinking told The Associated Press. This person was not authorized to speak about the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-blurs-lines-between-personal-lawyer-attorney-general/ar-AAHZro1?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SL5JDHP

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  11. The attorney for the intelligence community whistleblower whose complaint fueled a House inquiry into impeaching President Donald Trump says he has "serious concerns" that Trump's comments had put his client in danger.http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whistleblowers-lawyer-says-trump-endangering-his-client/ar-AAI2SSP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SL5JDHP

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