Thursday, February 22, 2018

Very first, tentative thoughts on the CNN Broward County town hall

Per my post about it yesterday, I genuinely and fervently prayed that this event would be constructive, open people's eyes and hearts, soften the lines of demarcation between the various camps.

So much for that.

Five years ago, we started to get alarmed that every day on US college and university campuses, the atmosphere resembled Columbia University in the spring of 1968. University of Missouri, Dartmouth, Yale. Really, one could see the way being paved even earlier. Conservative speakers were ducking thrown pies during the Bush 43 years.

Now it's filtered down to the high-school level.

Here's what Dana Loesch had to face while attempting to make her case:

Here’s her question in full:
Alright. Dana Loesch, I want to know that we will support your two children in the way that we will not — you will not. The shooter at our school obtained weapons that he used on us legally. Do you believe that it should be harder to obtain the semi-automatic and weapons — weapons, and the modifications for these weapons to make them fully automatic like bump stocks?
Showing true class, Loesch ignored Gonzalez’s smear and instead turned the other cheek by complimenting her “for standing up and speaking out.” She also firmly denounced the well-known conspiracy theories and attacks on the students (ex. Gateway Pundit) because “I don't think that anyone should deny you your voice or deny you your position because you are young.”
Loesch was booed seconds later, but — nevertheless, she persisted. 
“Now, I want to answer your question and I want to be allowed the opportunity, which is why I am here, to talk and have this discussion with you all and answer these questions. This is why I came down here. I don't believe that this insane monster should have ever been able to obtain a firearm. Ever. I do not think that he should have gotten his hands on any kind of weapon,” Loesch continued.
She added that, on behalf of the NRA, its millions of members do not believe that the gunman or anyone who was “crazy” should be able to purchase a gun.
She added that she was “fighting for my kids” and “all of you because I don't want anyone to ever be in this position again” and, to the rising boos, she correctly emphasized that it’s “not federally required for states to actually report people who are prohibited possessors, crazy people, people who are murderers” to the NICS database.

After enduring a slew of new jeers, Loesch told the NHL arena crowd to “let me answer the question”twice and “[y]ou can shout me down when I'm finished, but let me answer Emma's question.” It was here that someone shouted, “you’re a murderer” at the top of their lungs. Once again, Tapper did nothing to call out this behavior.

Loesch again showed class by not walking off stage but instead continuing to call out CNN for not covering this need to expand what’s reported to the NICS.
The “murderer” chants returned later in Loesch’s appearance while she was again attempting to seek common ground on background checks:
LOESCH: We had three lawmakers on this stage and only one of them hinted at reinforcing the background check system. It is only as good as the records submitted to it. Only one of them even got anywhere close to mentioning that. We have to have more than 38 states submit records. That's number one. 
HECKLER #1: Murderer! 
HECKLER #2: You’re a murderer!
HECKLER #3: Murderer!
LOESCH: Number two, we have to develop better protocol to follow up on red flags. This individual — this monster carrying bullets to school, carrying knifes to school, assaulting students, assaulting his parents, 39 visits in the past year. That should never have been allowed to get that far[.]

I still stand by what I said about Dinesh D'Souza's tweets. They were disqualifyingly insensitive. Their message was not even. close to being the main point at the time.

But now these kids have had the opportunity to participate in the great cultural conversation about a phenomenon that put them in genuine danger. And they handled it abysmally.

Fifty short years ago, a dean would have been on hand to yank those hecklers out of their seats by the shirt collars and scream to them, "Where did you get the idea that that is appropriate?"

Ordered liberty is the essence of the American experiment. If the "ordered" part is beyond shoring up, we're all in the kind of danger the little blank slates short on historical perspective but long on feelings at Stoneman Douglas High School were in the day the bullets were flying.

As I say, these are my initial, tentative thoughts. The above-excerpted account is all I've read so far this morning. But I wanted to weigh in before I exposed myself to a bunch of filtered lenses.

It is so very late in the day.
 

19 comments:

  1. The lobbyists are the creeps that feed gators in the swamp. Vote children, vote.

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  2. But somehow we've got to cut through the Svengalis of Persuasion, the advertisers, too, in all their myriad forms. It's all about money much more than your detested feelings. And our youth, who largely don't have money, both feel it and know it. It's not so very late in the day when money is still king and all eventually bow to its power.

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  3. The more I think about that town hall, the more disgusted I get. It was a mob scene, a setup to make the conservatives look like unfeeling boneheads.

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  4. We're all disgusted. For different reasons. Who's disgust will win?

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  5. They see rich dudes up there with nothing but talk. They hate rich dudes. Smooth dudes with pretty smiles and the finest threads. It might be nice to vote them all out, but that's a long shot, given that money and power is king.

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  6. But it's always been this way. Jesus railed against them.

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  7. If the wrong side wins, then it seems you backtrack on democracy. How bout that pussy school cop who stayed outside as the shooter shot? He'd be on pot in a backpack like a fly on shit.

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  8. The state paid him relatively handsomely to wuss out when it counted. He's "retired" now and will probably still make a pretty pension penny. On our fucking dime!

    "The 6-foot-5-inch native of Illinois started with the agency in July 1985, after studying at Miami-Dade Community College and Florida International University, according to records released Thursday by the sheriff’s office. Peterson had been a school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas since 2009. He was considered a trusted officer who “values his position and takes pride in protecting the students, faculty and staff at his school,” a 2017 performance review said.

    His annual salary in 2016 was $75,673.72, according to sheriff’s office records, but he made $101,013 that year with overtime and other compensation. Peterson has been the subject of two internal investigations, neither of which resulted in significant discipline."

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-shooting-sro-20180222-story.html

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  9. Ya think these young kids don't know about the lonely crowd? The kind Father Mackenzie wiped his hands over as he walked from the grave?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/upshot/how-social-isolation-is-killing-us.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=fb-nytimes&mccr=FebMC5&mcdt=2018-02&subid=FebMC5&ad-keywords=AudDevGate

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  10. Underneath it all is such sadness. A mere feeling.

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  11. A mere feeling. They seem to be everywhere these days.

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  12. You will likely dismiss this as pointy-headedness, but everything begins with feelings. Whoa oh, our life is feelings....

    Emotion is an unconscious arousal system that alerts us to potential dangers and opportunities. Think of emotion as a biological thermostat that monitors and reports variations from normality. Emotional arousal activates our attention system, which identifies the dynamics of the challenge and then activates relevant problem-solving systems that consciously respond to the challenge. Everything we do thus begins with emotion, a key cognitive process that was poorly understood for most of human history.

    The social behavior that preceded the Iraq war paralleled what occurs within a single brain. The national and international debate that was sparked by a proposal for war focused on an assessment of our respective levels of alertness, strength, and energy—but also heavily on our motivation for the enterprise. How much will a war cost? How long will it take? How many will die? What will happen if we don’t invade Iraq? What about the aftermath? Should we only do it if other nations join us in a coalition, or should we go it alone? Should we do it, even if we can do it?

    We can assume that the post-war analysis will be as emotionally driven and perplexing as the pre-war analysis. There’s not much difference between an individual and a social group when it comes to the emotional analysis of a major challenge. Damasio sees this as an integral part of who we are as human beings. We have preferences and we make choices. Sometimes we’re wise, and sometimes we’re foolish.


    https://brainconnection.brainhq.com/2003/04/07/emotion-and-feelings-in-a-time-of-war/

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  13. The Dutch philosopher Spinoza (1632-1677) plays an intriguing role in Damazio’s book. Spinoza’s written heretical beliefs on the integration of body/mind functions were banned in Europe for a century after his death. Damasio weaves Spinoza’s life and beliefs through his book in a fascinating parallel theme—that Spinoza had intuitively grasped many of the things now validated by current research on the neurobiology of emotions. So it’s taken neuroscience 350 years to catch up with philosophy? Not really. 17th century philosophy didn’t have it all right either, since most philosophers and theologians strongly rejected the beliefs of their one colleague who had correctly figured out the relationship. So what else is new in our search for truth?

    Ibid

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  14. We're not a bunch of Vulcans and I don't think we ever want to be.

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  15. Here's some of those grubby feelings for ya. There was a pic of this officer crying at his press conference. Ahh, but you don't do harrowing, do you?

    "It was awful -- it was bad as you can imagine, times 10," he said. "... Every time I turned around, there was another officer with (the victims) blood all over them. It was horrendous. ... I have a 2-year-old. I don't want to send him to school." --Chris Crawford of the Coral Springs Police Department

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-shooting-first-responders-describe-harrowing-day/ar-BBJy667?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SL5JDHP

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  16. AK, AK, AK, AK, are you OK with AKs?

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  17. Take a look at that pic of that officer without feelings. What a jerk! Officers need to fuck with people with guns more maybe, but they already do a lot of that. And chase after pot smokers. Why, because it's an easy collar.

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  18. You've offered nothing in the way of anything we should use to formulate policy on preventing mass shootings.

    Especially the shit about biological thermostats.

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  19. if we attach more significance to feeling than to thinking, wc shall soon, by a simple extension, attach more to wanting than to deserving.

    - Richard M. Weaver, Ideas Have Consequences

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