One might be tempted to say "F___ Europe, let them defend themselves," we're tired of paying US taxes for our military to defend them while they continue on into decline. Your ilk didn't appear to be at all concerned when your ilk (Cheney, Rummie, et al) damaged our reputation over there.
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Did Iraq war hurt U.S. reputation? 31k votes
Yes, the war tarnished this country's standing in the global community. 88% No, perception of the U.S. was not negatively impacted by the war. 12% Total Votes: 30,617
Read more at http://discuss.today.com/_news/2011/08/30/7523546-do-you-think-the-iraq-war-hurt-us-reputation
They'll get over it, we always get over Israel's spying on us. It's a good bet that this has been going on back on into the Bush administration, to some degree (or course you will howl that it is worse than ever now) and that key members of Congress were kept in the loop about it. Are you going to tell me that European countries do not spy on us and that other countries do not spy on Europe? I have read that you decry the "treasonous(?) actions of the Snowdens and the Assanges, yet you seem to get caught up in the rage to outrage. Just the wrong folks in there now for you, that's all. It might be all better in 4 years; if it's not you can simply continue to decry the ending of "the day."
How do those poll respondents feel about the assessments of so many intelligence agencies - including a number of European agencies - that Iraq had WMDs?
How do they feel about repeated violations of the no-fly zone, and about gaming the Food-for-Oil program?
It is widely known that Bush gained no friends, but lots of enemies globally during his 8 years in office. Hell, Obama campaigned on that issue and I, for one, agreed. It was one issue we believed was true and something we could do to correct it was to get rid of as many of the Bushites in government as possible, not once, but twice, because Romney was all set to bring many of them back. Back when it was happening you held all those not with you in scorn. Now I hear that same accusation about the Obama administration. Perhaps you can get them back in another 3 years and 7 months, man won't their survivors be lean and hungry by then.
Everybody spies on everybody, which is not necessarily a good thing but perhaps it keeps everybody from shooting at or bombing everybody. Kinda like a sport. Keep carpin' though. Perhaps a majority will join you in your nascent outrage when it counts.
You and I are probably being spied-upon as we blog this moment. Especially if we might be using marijuana and that actually ramped up during Reagan's reign.
Why are you glad that the Saddam regime violated the no-fly zone, gamed the Oil-for-Food program, send financial aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and had a record of using poison gas on Kurds?
Go to immersion.media.mit.edu and gave the site permission to access my Gmail account and map my metadata. You can do it, too. It's fun and kind of creepy. It's like being your own Big Brother. "When you see it all together, it is, in a way, an out-of-body experience," one of the creators of the project told the Globe. "You're seeing all of your network and you're seeing yourself out of it and you're seeing it from afar and you're seeing it in one picture."
Okay, when I have a spare moment to check it out, I will do so. Seriously, it sounds interesting.
In the meantime, what was the United States to do in those early years of this new century, when we had occasion to get very clear about the multiple and at least somewhat interrelated threats we were facing? The Baathist regime in Iraq was quite prominent among them.
One might be tempted to say "F___ Europe, let them defend themselves," we're tired of paying US taxes for our military to defend them while they continue on into decline. Your ilk didn't appear to be at all concerned when your ilk (Cheney, Rummie, et al) damaged our reputation over there.
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Did Iraq war hurt U.S. reputation?
31k votes
Yes, the war tarnished this country's standing in the global community. 88%
No, perception of the U.S. was not negatively impacted by the war. 12%
Total Votes: 30,617
Read more at http://discuss.today.com/_news/2011/08/30/7523546-do-you-think-the-iraq-war-hurt-us-reputation
They'll get over it, we always get over Israel's spying on us. It's a good bet that this has been going on back on into the Bush administration, to some degree (or course you will howl that it is worse than ever now) and that key members of Congress were kept in the loop about it. Are you going to tell me that European countries do not spy on us and that other countries do not spy on Europe? I have read that you decry the "treasonous(?) actions of the Snowdens and the Assanges, yet you seem to get caught up in the rage to outrage. Just the wrong folks in there now for you, that's all. It might be all better in 4 years; if it's not you can simply continue to decry the ending of "the day."
ReplyDeleteIf it has been routine for any and all countries to engage in spying to this degree, why is this a news story now?
ReplyDeleteHow do those poll respondents feel about the assessments of so many intelligence agencies - including a number of European agencies - that Iraq had WMDs?
ReplyDeleteHow do they feel about repeated violations of the no-fly zone, and about gaming the Food-for-Oil program?
It is widely known that Bush gained no friends, but lots of enemies globally during his 8 years in office. Hell, Obama campaigned on that issue and I, for one, agreed. It was one issue we believed was true and something we could do to correct it was to get rid of as many of the Bushites in government as possible, not once, but twice, because Romney was all set to bring many of them back. Back when it was happening you held all those not with you in scorn. Now I hear that same accusation about the Obama administration. Perhaps you can get them back in another 3 years and 7 months, man won't their survivors be lean and hungry by then.
ReplyDeleteEverybody spies on everybody, which is not necessarily a good thing but perhaps it keeps everybody from shooting at or bombing everybody. Kinda like a sport. Keep carpin' though. Perhaps a majority will join you in your nascent outrage when it counts.
ReplyDeleteYou and I are probably being spied-upon as we blog this moment. Especially if we might be using marijuana and that actually ramped up during Reagan's reign.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you glad that the Saddam regime violated the no-fly zone, gamed the Oil-for-Food program, send financial aid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and had a record of using poison gas on Kurds?
ReplyDeleteDid I say I was glad? I don't think I even implied it.
ReplyDeleteThen what were we to do circa 2003?
ReplyDeleteGo to immersion.media.mit.edu and gave the site permission to access my Gmail account and map my metadata. You can do it, too. It's fun and kind of creepy. It's like being your own Big Brother. "When you see it all together, it is, in a way, an out-of-body experience," one of the creators of the project told the Globe. "You're seeing all of your network and you're seeing yourself out of it and you're seeing it from afar and you're seeing it in one picture."
ReplyDeleteOkay, when I have a spare moment to check it out, I will do so. Seriously, it sounds interesting.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, what was the United States to do in those early years of this new century, when we had occasion to get very clear about the multiple and at least somewhat interrelated threats we were facing? The Baathist regime in Iraq was quite prominent among them.