Saturday, February 17, 2018

Does the Vatican's acquiescence to China's Communists re: picking bishops indicate high-level institutional rot?

I've posted about this a couple of times lately, and neither of the pieces to which I've linked and commented on went this far. John Zmirak at The Stream sets niceties aside and spells out the strong odor of top-down leftism he's picking up from the Catholic Church:

s Pope Francis’ Vatican “surrendering” or “caving in” to Communist China? That’s the language many concerned Catholics are using. Pope Francis’ decision to turn against that nation’s underground church appalled them. So they try to explain it. They point to priestly naiveté. Or goofball hopes for Western-style reforms. I wonder, though. Francis and his appointees seem driven by something more. Namely by anti-American, illiberal politics. So I think it’s worth considering other words. Such as “strategic alliance.” Does that sound crazy? I wish it were. Read to the end before you decide.
The facts on the ground are clear: We’ve seen 60 years of conflict between the real, underground churches of China and the Communist front groups set up by its government to control them. Now the Vatican has announced that it’s switching sides. Believers, priests and bishops of the Catholic wing of that underground church must stand aside. They must go join the “Patriotic” church which they’ve been fighting for decades.
Cardinal Joseph Zen, who served prison terms at the hands of the Communist government, calls this capitulation. As The Wall Street Journal reported:
“You are telling them, ‘You are stupid for being loyal for so many years. Now surrender,’” Cardinal Zen said in an interview in the Hong Kong seminary he joined seven decades ago.
“They are appointing bad people to be the shepherds of the flocks. How can you do that?” he said in the interview, closing his eyes and shaking his fists. “You’re putting wolves before your flock, and they are going to make a massacre.”
A group of concerned Chinese Catholics issued an anguished open letter. It said, in part:
[T]he seven illicitly ordained “bishops” were not appointed by the Pope, and their moral integrity is questionable. They do not have the trust of the faithful, and have never repented publicly. If they were to be recognized as legitimate, the faithful in Greater China would be plunged into confusion and pain, and schism would be created in the Church in China. …
[W]e are deeply worried that the deal would create damages that cannot be remedied. The Communist Party in China, under the leadership of Xi Jinping, has repeatedly destroyed crosses and churches, and the Patriotic Association maintains its heavy-handed control over the Church. Religious persecution has never stopped. Xi has also made it clear that the Party will strengthen its control over religions. So there is no possibility that the Church can enjoy more freedom. In addition, the Communist Party has a long history of breaking promises. We are worried that the agreement would not only fail to guarantee the limited freedom desired by the Church, but also damage the Church’s holiness, catholicity, and apostolicity, and deal a blow to the Church’s moral power. The Church would no longer be able to have the trust of people. …


He looks at a few of Pope Francis's closest advisors, and gets the creeps.

There's Archbishop Marcelo Sorondo:

Like a gullible pilgrim to Moscow in 1936, he spoke of his visit to China in sophomoric, glowing terms. He spouted Party propaganda. And worse, as China expert and pro-life hero Steven Mosher explained at The Stream, Sorondo lauded the Chinese dictatorship for supposedly avoiding the evils leftist Catholics attribute to U.S. capitalism. He praised China for its environmental stewardship on “climate issues.” He outright said that China comes closer to “Catholic social teaching” than the United States does. Pope Francis did not contradict him.
Catholics should take that seriously. Sorondo is one of Francis’s front men on Catholic social teaching. He has told us what he thinks it amounts to. I’ve been warning for years that leftists were hijacking and distorting Catholic social thought, then trying to give their ideology the veneer of divine authority. Indeed, Sorondo once told a Vatican symposium that Francis’ opinions on climate change were as binding as the Church’s stance on abortion. Francis’ call for massive, centralized control over the world economy by global agencies? That forms part of the “ordinary magisterium,” Sorondo claimed. According to hi, Catholics cannot publicly dissent from it without sin (which is absurd).
Then there's Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga:

In 2013, another Francis protégé, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga explained Pope Francis’ inaugural document Evangelii Gaudium. It slams the free market as wicked and exploitative. Quoting Fidel Castro acolyte Jean Ziegler, Maradiaga denounced the
world dictatorship of finance capital. … The lords of financial capital wield over billions of human beings a power of life and death. Through their investment strategies, their stock market speculations, their alliances, they decide day to day who has the right to live on this planet and who is doomed to die.
In his own words, Maradiaga dismissed systems like America’s. He damned “neoliberal dictatorships that rule democracies.” He warned, “To change the system, it would be necessary to destroy the power of the new feudal lords.”
It’s not surprising that Maradiaga is peddling conspiracy theories. As Alan Dershowitz revealed, back in 2002 the cardinal denied that a clerical sex abuse crisis even existed. What did? A plot by Jews in the media to strike back at the Vatican. Why? For defending the Palestinians. So let’s revoke Spotlight‘s Oscar, okay? It was really just Zionist agitprop. 
Then there's Fr. Antonio Spadaro:

The Vatican-supervised Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica tipped its hand in 2016. It published a telling piece by close Francis associate Fr. Antonio Spadaro. In it, Spadaro denounced the Christian right in America. For what? Conspiring with certain rogue Catholic conservatives in a plot to impose a sharia-style theocracy. The proof? We oppose same sex marriage, abortion and attacks on religious liberty. Spadaro even coughed up the leftist talking point which smears American evangelicals as opponents of civil rights for black people.
Given the nature of those who have the pontiff's ear, one has to wonder if what's going on in China isn't less a matter of reluctant resignation to that regime's power and more enthusiasm for the views on economics and social organization that inform its policies.
 
 
 

21 comments:

  1. The Catholic church does not shill for capitalism and it is indeed more historically socialistic and therefore closer to China's communistic system. Even John PaulII (Ronnie's partner in toppling Communism in Europe) once called capitalism and socialism 2 sides of the same coin. Nevertheless, the church has thrived where freedom of worship reigns, despite not always being historically kind to those who wanted to worship freely outside the bounds of the church. There is a strong drive to be ecumenical and to have the church re-institutionalized in China would be a huge victory. Not from bloody conflict but from the Holy Spirit which I'm sure is who Pope Francis will tell you he takes marching orders from.

    I'm waiting for rebuttal of the conservatives who have been squawking ever since Francis was installed. Of course this is a much larger issue than Francis' call for allowing divorced/remarried Catholics to receive communion or calling for mercy for homosexuals. I'm not going to jump off the deep end here just because a bunch of concerned conservatives are going crazy again. In my view, these types have hindered ecumenism all along. If they have not love, they are clanging gongs.

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  2. “Ecumenism” . . . Is that anything like letting the Chinese Communist Party choose your bishops?

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  3. I have always preferred to stay within. You, my friend, go running when things don't go your way. But I know whose very valued opinion I shall seek--that of Gary Wills. Stay tuned.

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  4. “Sinners are people who hate everything, because their world is necessarily full of betrayal, full of illusion, full of deception”, wrote Thomas Merton.

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  5. The Catholic church has a long history of praying for the godless Communism that will not allow it. The greatest realization of decades of collective prayer in this direction came when the wall came down in Berlin. So now you say we are mocking God. Or something like it. The history of the church is the longest and most varied and complex of any institution. If I don't even know the tenth of it, you, my dear bloggie, might even know less.

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  6. Missionary priests of the Latin Church of the Catholic Church in Europe are first recorded to have entered China in the 13th century.

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  7. So you like the Chinese government choosing bishops and you like the ideology of the people surrounding the Pope that are cited above.

    Is it proper to infer that from what you've said in the last three comments?

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  8. I want to know the full story and the Vatican's side of things, not just the conservatives who have been wailing ever since Vatican II (1963). And if I don't like it, well, what am I to do? Leave the church? Or wait in God's time? There is a seemingly long history of the church in China. I do not even speak the language. I simply mistrust the squawkers, that's all. Of course it is all to be continued. With me or without me. It may take a very very seemingly long time.

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  9. So are there two competing, parallel hierarchies?

    No, again it’s more complicated. Some of the Chinese bishops appointed by the Holy See have eventually gained recognition from the Chinese government, and some government-appointed bishops have sought and obtained the blessing of the Holy See.

    However, there are still bishops at each end of the spectrum: the “underground” bishops who have not received (and do not want) government approval, and the “official” bishops who have not sought Vatican approval.

    Ibid

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  10. So why would the Vatican even consider this agreement?

    First, because an agreement might provide for the unification of the Catholic Church in China, allowing for open worship by all the faithful. Second, because an accord might pave the way for the resumption of formal diplomatic relations between the Vatican and the world’s most populous nation, which were broken off in 1951.

    Pope Benedict XVI emphasized, in his June 2007 letter to the Chinese Church, that all the faithful should work toward unity. He indicated a willingness to work toward regularization of the “official” Church, and a desire to reassure Beijing that the Vatican had no interest in seeking control over China’s internal affairs. At the same time he insisted that the Catholic Church could not accept political control over her hierarchy, and he explicitly rejected any role for the Patriotic Association.

    Cardinal Pietro Parolin has justified the current talks with Beijing by referring to Benedict’s demand for unity. Cardinal Zen complains that the Secretary of State has not addressed the former Pope’s companion demand for the protection of the Church’s autonomy.

    Ibid

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  11. Would the agreement protect the religious freedom of Catholics in China?

    Vatican negotiators evidently believe that Beijing is ready to give public acceptance to Catholic worship. But would the Communist regime allow for the appointment of bishops who question a materialistic ideology? For the evangelization of young people? For overt opposition to immoral government policies, such as the rigorous birth-control laws that are still in force?

    Those are the crucial questions. We don’t know the answers.

    Ibid

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  12. Claiming they don't kn ow the answers is a little disingenuous, given the thousands of Christians already in Chinese jails. You think the regime would ever allow the church to protest forced abortions?

    "an agreement might provide for the unification of the Catholic Church in China, allowing for open worship by all the faithful. Second, because an accord might pave the way for the resumption of formal diplomatic relations between the Vatican and the world’s most populous nation, which were broken off in 1951." That's admitting a policy of appeasement.


    Re: "there are still bishops at each end of the spectrum: the “underground” bishops who have not received (and do not want) government approval, and the “official” bishops who have not sought Vatican approval": The underground bishops are the good ones and the official bishops are teh bad ones.

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  13. As evidenced by Poor Benedict's stance before the much maligned Francis (by conservatives) this is not indicative of high level institutional rot as you allege in your heading. Go mess with your own congregation why don't you?

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  14. What is happening in China is bad and wrong. It's not a matter of choosing a denomination to mess with.

    By the way, I don't currently have a denomination. I regularly attend a Methodist church, but I couldn't become one. It's way too sullied, as is the denomination of my upbringing, the PCUSA.

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  15. We don't know for sure what is happening in China and rest assured there are people ordained by God and moved by the Holy Spirit in high places that do know. The church has a long history in China, not all of it pretty. From any corner or any camp.

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  16. But, hey everybody, the solitary Christian from Columbus Bartholomew County says, simply & severely it's bad and wrong. He's the one who hates the US deficit but wants to rebuild our military after a huge tax cut reducing income. I haven't seen a peace plan that he likes. Anywhere.

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  17. I've lined to and excerpted from three articles recently that very thoroughly substantiate my position.

    Rebuilding our military is a very good thing. So is cutting taxes. The last peace plan that seems to have any lasting effect was the 1815 Congress of Vienna.

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  18. This just out, Pope bows to recalcitrant priests in Nigeria after 6 years and lets them can a bishop who was not of their clan.

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    Pope Francis has bowed to rebels of Ahiara Diocese in Imo State and abandoned Bishop Peter Ebere Okpaleke, after priests and laymen rejected his appointment for six years.

    The News Agency of Nigeria reported that in a reaction, Okpaleke had resigned from his post.






    A Vatican statement said the Pope had accepted the resignation. It said the position had been declared vacant and that a papal administrator, the Bishop of Umuahia, Lucius Iwejuru Ugorji, would run it for the time being.

    “The Holy Father, who accompanies with prayer this new phase in the life of the Church in Ahiara, hopes that, with the new Apostolic Administrator, the local Church will recover its vitality and never again suffer such actions that so wound the Body of Christ,” reported Fides, the news agency of the Vatican."


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  19. Unlike your ilk, the Popes are men of peace so maybe this one will cave and let there be peace and love in China again. Underground.

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  20. Since there has not been a peace plan that worked since 1815 you and your bellicose ilk must be thrilled at the action in Munchen this year.

    "The Munich Security Conference is usually a forum for world leaders to meet on the sidelines and strive for consensus and compromise. But this year's gathering is more likely to be remembered for saber-rattling and ultimatums, and the lack of discernible progress on resolving lingering conflicts or brewing crises around the world."

    Nettie (perhaps not long for power now due to allegations of corruption within his own state) brandished a piece of metal from a drone, waving it all pissed off. And China (pivotal in the Norkor drama) wasn't even there.

    Re: Norkor, the UN Secretary General (I know, a useless yahoo to you) emphasized the use of diplomacy and sanctions, but others at the conference said they feared misinterpretation or inflammatory rhetoric by the U.S. and North Korean leaders could lead to war.

    You must be beyond thrilled that something like fire and fury (reduced to a bloody nose lately) might be coming our way. Only trouble is, your thrills are others' chills.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/02/19/587120571/insecurity-at-the-munich-security-conference-as-global-crises-grow-more-contenti?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180219

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  21. Netanyahu showing the piece of the drone was great. You're correct, my take on the UN Secretary General is, like it has been for the last several UN Secretaries General, that he is at best worthless.

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