Tuesday, May 15, 2018

When the threat is existential, extraordinarily brutal measures are the only moral way to go

Important David French piece at NRO today entitled "Waterboarding, Torture and American Wars."

LITD has already done a post about Kamala Harris's preening and grandstanding at Gina Haspel's confirmation hearing to be CIA chief. Such are the times we live in that Haspel couldn't give a response along the line's of French's essay.

He notes that twice in the last century and a half, the US was forced into the grimmest of decisions:

Morality in war is a complex and shifting thing. Let’s take, for example, two of the most famous and most successful operations in American military history — Sherman’s March to the Sea and Truman’s atomic-bomb strikes on Japan. Both of them involved deliberate, mass-scale targeting of civilian assets. The atomic bombings also included the deliberate mass killing of innocent men, women, and children. In ordinary times and in more “ordinary” wars, the morality of both actions is clear and unequivocal. They’re wrong. Indeed, in ordinary times and in ordinary wars, they’re more than just wrong — they’re unlawful.
And that’s the proper default position of American arms. Absent extraordinary circumstances, American forces should not deliberately target civilians or civilian assets.

That’s also the proper default position regarding enhanced interrogation. Absent extraordinary circumstances, American forces should not engage in “enhanced interrogation.” But these default presumptions should be rebuttable.

In the context of both the Civil War and World War II, American forces were engaged in an existential struggle. The Civil War was one of the first modern “total wars,” where the resources of the entire society are mobilized to wage war. The South in particular — with its smaller manpower and industrial base — had to mobilize all its resources to stay on the battlefield against the Union. And so, to defeat the South, intelligent Union generals like Grant and Sherman knew that they had to diminish Confederate resources, in both men and material. Thus, the war of attrition against Lee in Virginia. Thus, Sherman’s campaign to rip the heart out of the southern economy in Georgia.

In a very real sense, Sherman and Grant — as brutal as they were — saved lives. They cut short a war that was far bloodier than either side expected, and they ultimately ended the meat grinder of 1861-1864 — when Confederate armies stood toe-to-toe with a larger foe and bested it time and again on the battlefield. Do we condemn Sherman today?
Similarly, imagine the shock and horror in the American public had we chosen not to use the atomic bomb, fought Japan for every inch of the home islands, and then later found out that Truman sat on a war-ending weapon that could have spared the hundreds of thousands of American lives. 
Moving back to enhanced interrogation, it’s easy to imagine a very different kind of hearing than the one Haspel endured last week. Think of the hearing that would happen after a catastrophic terror strike that could have been averted through more dramatic interrogation measures. The architects of restraint would face thousands of bereaved families, each of them demanding to know why an interrogation technique (like waterboarding) — long used in training against our own soldiers — was deemed too brutal to use to avert catastrophe. The moral argument would look very different indeed.
This fallen world presents us with an endless series of tradeoffs. Sometimes they are most unsavory. At such moments, the one charged with making a decision must pray for the wisdom to discern the least unsavory.

That's what Haspel should have felt free to say to Senator Harris.
 


7 comments:

  1. The former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Michael Mullen of Staff said Sunday that Haspel should be held responsible for her views on torture. He also fears Trump will "lash out" if talks with Kim fail. He must be a snowflake Demo wimp.

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  2. Water boarding is used against our soldiers in training because, as we know, many of our enemies aren't as civilized. We have a history of treating our POWs more humanely than our enemies. Ask McCain, he lived it, though you continually diss him as a reasonable gentleman or worse.

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  3. The CIA is about as ungodly as it gets in our government anyhow. Wish we didn't think we have to fight fire with fire.

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  4. The CIA has had its good and bad eras.

    I'm pretty sure Senator McCain doesn't want to see American cities incinerated.

    Sure, Haspel should be held responsible for her views on torture. I'll bet they're pretty close to what this post - and French's article - expresses. In a better world, she could forthrightly say it.

    Did Mullen explain what he meant by "lash out"? It's obvious that if the summit fails, the US will have to squeeze North Korea to an unprecedented degree.

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  5. I dunno what he means. I take it to mean that he will piss kerosene on a fire like he likes to do. This is the most hawkish president ever in my lifetime. And I personally do not like it one bit, though I know you're groovin' on it.

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  6. Yep, you're right, Senator McCain doesn't want to see American cities incinerated. Neither do I nor does any American I know. You?

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  7. I think Haspel should forthrightly say anything she wants? Is there some kind of gag on her? We need the truth from her to vett her. Personally I think you hawks are creating an even messier mess in the Middle East and goddam it, you're gonna hear about it. Unfortunately, so are we all.

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