Let me back up just a bit. He starts his piece by citing Episcopal bishop John Shelby Spong's book Why Christianity Must Change or Die and conferring legitimacy on it by citing all the liberal theologians who have heaped praise on it since its publication 20 years ago.
Then he lays the groundwork for getting into the methodology and findings of his study by saying basically, "What we found indicates that Spong had the wrong remedy for institutional Christianity."
Professor Haskell, had you afforded Spong the presumption that he was right before you went to the trouble of conducting your fancy-pants study?
Because what you found seems pretty obvious to most people, I feel safe in saying:
We also found that for all measures, growing church clergy members were most conservative theologically, followed by their congregants, who were themselves followed by the congregants of the declining churches and then the declining church clergy members. In other words, growing church clergy members are the most theologically conservative, while declining church clergy members are the least. Their congregations meet more in the middle.
For example, we found 93 percent of clergy members and 83 percent of worshipers from growing churches agreed with the statement “Jesus rose from the dead with a real flesh-and-blood body leaving behind an empty tomb.” This compared with 67 percent of worshipers and 56 percent of clergy members from declining churches. Furthermore, all growing church clergy members and 90 percent of their worshipers agreed that “God performs miracles in answer to prayers,” compared with 80 percent of worshipers and a mere 44 percent of clergy members from declining churches.
Outside our research, when growing churches have been identified by other studies — nationally and internationally — they have been almost exclusively conservative in doctrine. As we explain in our academic work, because of methodological limitations, these other studies did not link growth to theology. But our work suggests this is a fruitful avenue of research to pursue.I found his tortured striving to see some esoteric reason for this rather amusing:
What explains the growth gap between liberal and conservative congregations? In defense of liberal churches, one might venture that it is the strength of belief, not the specifics of belief, that is the real cause of growth. In this case, pastors embracing liberal theology are just as likely as conservative pastors to experience church growth, provided they are firm and clear in their religious convictions. Yet different beliefs, though equally strong, produce different outcomes.Got that? It might just be the "strength of belief, not the specifics of belief."
This is a classic example of cultural observation so clouded by moral relativism that it must deny that which is right up in its face.
I wrote my master's thesis in history on this subject, the emptying of the pews in mainline Protestant churches, 27 years ago. My own inspiration was the Presbyterian church I had grown up in. Recall that two big issues on America's radar in those days were US attempts to roll back the spread of Marxism-Leninism in Central America, and the outcry on the Left over US nuclear missiles in Europe. The "peace fellowship" hosted by the church was on the anti-freedom side of both issues, quite vocally so.
It hasn't changed. I go by there occasionally and always look to see what kind of banner they are currently hanging on their wrought-iron fence. Sometimes it's one that says, "Torture is always wrong." Sometimes it simply sports a rainbow. The latest one says that immigrants and refugees are welcome there.
And I have it on good authority that its services are sparsely attended.
Professor Haskell, while it's true that fewer post-Americans are going to church overall, the ones who are go because church is - ostensibly, anyway - a unique institution in that it deals with how one is going to spend eternity. If, instead, all one hears is identity politics and guilt-mongering, someone interested in actual church is going to bail and go find a place that talks about the salvific blood of Jesus and the promise of the empty tomb.
Not exactly rocket science if you haven't mucked up your mind with a lot of gobbledy-gook.
You really dislike peace don't you? Well, it sure looks like you're gonna get another chance to watch the world blow. Of course you will be urging sacrifice stateside while the bombs burst in air, them rockets red glare while Israel gets what they have long desired at our nation's expense.
ReplyDeleteDo you have attendance figures for the synagogues? I hear half the Jews are secular, but of course they're still special.
ReplyDeleteYou're going to have to explain your perception that I dislike peace in greater detail. To my knowledge, nothin in any of my writing has ever given any indication of that.
ReplyDeleteI will say that lasting, species-wide peace is an impossibility due to our fallen nature. Along with being the documentation of human advancement in the arts and sciences, history is basically the record of the conflict and conquest which have characterized all societies always.
And as for secular Jews, well, they need to not be secular anymore.
You are saying you're not a hawk now? I will never accept war as the answer to anything. Unless we think we need another quantum leap in our technology which all that icky blood and grief often result in. Out of WW II we got recording technology and even a killer ass bomb that we don't want anyone else to have. We sure had good luck with Jesus on that, huh? Tell me you're not a hawk. Then please explain why you are such a Netanyahu fan. Will you bring him to your Jesus?
ReplyDelete"The complete redemption of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the coming of Messiah Ben David are the next stages in G‑d's end-time plans with Israel and the entire world.
Sixty-two years after the re-establishment of the State of Israel by the G‑d of Israel to be His end-time eternal kingdom, and after seven wars with Arab-Islamic nations who were backed by many nations worldwide that came to destroy Israel again and again, Israel is again facing pressure from every side with step-by-step preparations of the enemies of the G‑d and people of Israel to destroy the State of Israel through an apocalyptic war with nuclear weapons that were never used in the past. These nations refused to learn through their own previous experiences when the G‑d of Israel defeated them again and again and showed them that He is determined to rebuild His Holy Kingdom Israel in the Promised Land that He gave only to His people Israel.
Now, when the dark clouds of the end-time war are beginning to surround Israel from every side, G‑d is going to judge the nations exactly as He promised in His prophetic Word. G‑d will prove to them that He is determined to complete during these critical end-times what He started with Abraham and his seed Israel more than 4,000 years ago and that the re-established nation of Israel today in the Land of its biblical heritage is by far His greatest handiwork ever in the history of the world, and that a moral and G-dly redemption will come to the entire world only through the redemption of His people Israel. G‑d is busy together with His people Israel rebuilding His kingdom to be an example and a light to all the nations. The climax of this G-dly handiwork that is called Israel today is going to be the rebuilding of the Temple of G‑d by the people of Israel in Jerusalem and this will open the door for the coming of Messiah Ben David during our lifetimes. Jerusalem is again going to be the city where G‑d dwells among His people Israel and from where He will lead them and the entire world according to His holy and moral laws and principles. It behooves all of the nations that are coming again to remove Israel from the map of the world to realize that G‑d is going to judge them terribly and show them that no weapon in the world can stop His end-time plans with Israel or destroy His chosen people and that Israel, the most major and G-dly phenomenon ever in the history of mankind, is eternal and irrevocable."
Read more at http://templemountfaithful.org/articles/the_coming_end-time_war_against_israel.php
I am definitely a hawk. But that is not the same thing at all as "disliking peace." Quite the opposite.
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